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12:45:48 [dhillon] is george here in the room 13:58:46 [mrmike] hello, have we started yet? 14:53:37 [Tenaj] Welcome to Online Chat#3 with George Wiseman of Eagle-Research Today's subject is: (Preparing to) Get More MPG! 14:53:57 [mrmike] hello! 14:54:22 [george] Do you fellas have any questions to start this off? 14:54:47 [Tenaj] We'll go for 1 hour, then decide if people want More 14:54:58 [mrmike] Yes, on the choice of engines (cvcc) are there other recommendations? 14:56:51 [Tenaj] Any engine can get increased mileage & performance as long as you deal with reputable combustion enhancement devices/methods and that you maintain the vehicle 14:57:08 [george] Preparing to increase mileage first means making sure the vehicle is all tuned up and operating properly 14:57:44 [george] Then, we start adding efficiency enhancements. 14:58:22 [george] Have you fellas been following my modifications to the Honda in my newsletter? 14:59:48 [george] I first made sure the vehicle was in good mechanical shape. Which incidentally made it get better mileage than OEM spec. 15:00:34 [george] Then I'm making modifications to maximize the efficiency of the OEM fuel system... 15:01:17 [george] The first was custom setting the fuel level in the float bowl. 15:01:18 [mrmike] Im looking to buy a used car to modify - any that I should stay away from? 15:02:44 [R2D2] Hello, am I in late, though up early (7 a.m in Japan) 15:03:27 [george] mrmike: I don't think so... I'd be careful to get a vehicle that's configured for your lifestyle. For example, using high gearing if you do a lot of highway driving... 15:03:32 [Tenaj] Welcome R2D2. We appreciate you getting up so early to join us. 15:04:47 [george] mrmike: Every engine has a most efficient operating rpm, the gearing for your most use should take advantage of this. 15:06:13 [george] mrmike: If city driving, look for an engine with lots of low rpm torque, like an inline 6. I believe in putting in more power than you need, then making the fuel system super-efficient. 15:06:15 [mrmike] george: thank you. So would you say a manual transmission (been years since I hand one ;-) 15:07:32 [george] mrmike: I like them for outside city and for maximum mileage (if used properly) but mostly I recommend automatics for city use. 15:08:02 [R2D2] mrmike: manual is bets. Automatic with torque-converter lockup is OK, CVT is exciting. 15:08:58 [mrmike] R2D2: right on with the CVT - loved my Honda Helix ! 15:09:00 [george] mrmike askes a VERY good question: that requires thought; what is the best vehicle for me? 15:10:28 [R2D2] Best answers come with additional info: What is your driving pattern (for economy), and what dou you prefer and like? 15:11:55 [george] Actually, I help so many people with the vehicles they HAVE that I forget to make recommendations on the level of what they should have in the first place. 15:12:22 [mrmike] I currently have a 93 Plymouth minivan - modified for wife's wheelchair (adds about 500lbs with lowered floor) - I probably would get a small ptruck for myself 15:12:42 [Tenaj] What make, year and fuel system are each of you currently operating, And what mileage are you currently gettting? 15:12:59 [george] In addition to vehicle descriptions, what have you done to try to increase mileage already? 15:13:09 [R2D2] you give a bag full of hints on the first few pages in your Super Gas saver secrets book. 15:14:14 [mrmike] 93 Plymouth Voyager wheelchair lowered floor - Fuel injection - about 18mpg overall 15:14:26 [dowser] I have a 1990 F350 duly crew cab EFI with 125 k that is in great condition but only gets about 8.5 mpg at best. Short of getting rid of it and getting something else, what would be my best course of action? 15:14:39 [george] R2D2: I do The new SGSS format is my wife's, she's an editor, among her other amazing skills. 15:15:45 [R2D2] I run a 1994 Toyota Camry wagon, 2 liters engine, city (2.5 mi trips) 18.5 MPG, hiway 39.5 MPG 15:16:24 [dowser] btw it is a 460 7.5L 15:16:49 [mrmike] My Plym Minivan is 3.3L v6 auto 15:17:06 [R2D2] dowser: get George's book, you'd break even in the first month on it with minor changes to your car. 15:17:08 [george] mrmike: what have you done to try to increase the mileage of your wife's minivan? 15:17:50 [Tenaj] Anyone here today who doesn't yet have a copy of Super Gas Saver Secrets can get a 20% discount. Use referral code: JC1-901 15:18:15 [mrmike] nothing yet - its the only car we have right now and kinda scared to do something until i get a car for myself 15:18:24 [george] dowser: Have you tried anything yet? 15:19:54 [george] mrmike: Yeah, I understand. That's why I'm careful with my wife's car and why I've designed my fuel saving technology the way I do. There's little that can't be switched to OEM with the flip of a switch or a few seconds on the side of the road. I spent enough time on the side of the road developing this stuff to YOU wouldn't have to. And having my wife call me from hours away to come and rescue her gave me incentive to make stuff easy and reliable. 15:20:09 [Tenaj] R2D2 What fuel saver techniques have you tried? 15:21:10 [R2D2] I test-drive anything before I let my wife get back at the keys. We have one car, I use motorbike to commute. 15:22:10 [george] dowser: Your vehicle is actually one of the best examples of a vehicle that my technology can help, you ca at LEAST double mileage with less than $500 investment. 15:22:52 [R2D2] I tried tune-up (good), tire pressure by the book (highest recommended inflation), various spark plugs and my low-cost EFIE 15:22:54 [mrmike] The other concern is the dreaded smog test! what about the fed laws on modifying smog emissions equip? 15:23:49 [R2D2] I got myself a $100 CO tester (use it also for the gas furnace). Investment recovered in the firt year by the savings alone. 15:25:22 [Tenaj] Eagle-Reasearch fuel saving technology increases the efficiency of the fuel system so that you can pass smog tests with or without the anti-pollution equipment 15:25:46 [george] dowser: First make sure it is tuned to OEM spec (we'll make changes later), then add the EFIE. The EFIE is required to allow combustion enhancement technology to work on EFI systems that have oxygen sensor feedback. 15:27:14 [dowser] yes, I tried a device that plugged inline from the coil wire to the distributor that was supposed to increase mileage but all it did was make the thing run rough and stall. It was an Astro-Jet - Pulse Amplifier Ignition Unit, sorry for the delay in reply - I needed to look up the unit 15:27:54 [dowser] Do I need more than 1 EFIE? 15:27:56 [george] dowser: Next add (your choice of order) the HyZor and Water Injection. If you use all the options, like deceleration fuel shuoff, you will have doubled mileage. These options will allow you to significantly advance timing without preignition or detonation. 15:29:14 [Tenaj] NEXT GEORGE WISEMAN CHAT: Sat. May 18/02 SUBJECT: Water Injection 15:29:45 [R2D2] The Toyota had good mileage off the factory. LAst thing I added was direct hits spark enhancer. That one Itested on my bench and works as advertised. Engine runs smoother and pulls bettter. Mileage: minor change, not likely to break even on that investment, but is fun. Next would be water injec. 15:29:55 [george] mrmike: Federal laws that prohibit you tampering with anti-pollution equipment also prohibit me from recommending that you tamper with it. So I've designed my fuel savers so that it doesn't matter. 15:30:50 [btoews] I've got a Jetta Diesel and used used canola oil. The viscosity is greater than that of regular diesel. Can I diminish the viscosity? 15:31:31 [Tenaj] dowser You need and EFIE for each oxygen sensor. If you only have one oxygen sensor you only need one EFIE 15:31:46 [mrmike] george: would you recommend taking the van to Dodge to bring it to OEM specs? or just a local shop? 15:33:39 [george] dowser: one of my recommendations is an after-market ignition system. You really want a hot, extended, or multiple spark. Pure fuel vapors require a hot spark to ignite. I think the Astro-Jet would have helped if your ingnition system could have produced the additional voltage. 15:34:48 [george] dowser: however, it is amperage, not voltage that actually ignites fuel. In the SGSS I detail a system of running two coils side by side to increase amperage. It works great 15:36:13 [Tenaj] btoews; What make, year and fuel system do you have? 15:37:15 [btoews] It's a 1990 regular diesel Jetta Volkswagen. 15:37:26 [george] btoews: yes, with various fluids, like gasoline or alcohol 15:39:23 [btoews] So you're saying it's OK to mix some gasoline and/or alcohol with the recycled restaurant liquid at room temperature oil. And if so how much? I don't even bother using the restaurant oil in winter because of the higher viscosity. 15:40:09 [C3PO] sorry, this is R2D2, my messages did not appear. 15:40:32 [C3PO] mrmike: For check-up I go to the local taxi company, those mechanics know to keep cars running at low cost and are not selling repairs. 15:40:43 [george] mrmike: I'd do it at least once, because I like to start with the best THEY can do and then improve on that. I've long been thinking of having a challange to OEM, that I can improve the fuel system efficiency by at least 10% over any stock or I forfet a sum of money. 15:40:57 [Tenaj] C3Po: What make, year and fuel system do you have? 15:42:13 [C3PO] George, I side with your bet on the average U.S. angine. I suggest you be careful with the 50 MPGers like the Prius or the small Honda Jazz (called Fit in Japan) 15:43:03 [george] btoews: yes, it is OK, winter or summer. How much...just enough to reduce the viscosity. Diesel systems use the fuel as a lubricant. 15:43:05 [mrmike] george: I hear ya. ( I dont want to get into car maker - oil company - big gov conspiracy yada yada) 15:43:18 [C3PO] My 1994 Toyota has 2-channel EFI, runs on regular and my rock-bottom EFIE mimick. 15:43:26 [dowser] It was at the higher RPM range that the engine started to misfire and stall under load. Also, I later had alternator problems after removing the unit and had to have it replaced. 15:43:33 [george] C3PO: good advise 15:44:55 [george] C3PO: Nope, I can beat them too. The new hybrid vehicles are NOT maximizing even the potential built into them. 15:45:32 [C3PO] The Hybrids are NOT? Tell me more 15:46:35 [george] I've already taken my wife's Honda Civic, with a 1500 CVCC engine to over 50 mpg US gallon and I haven't even really applied any serious fuel saving technology yet. 15:46:40 [C3PO] I just figure: with water injection, they'd get 100 MPG? 15:47:28 [Tenaj] To challenge OEM > read 'Why 200MPG is possible'. Eagle-Research Pocket Pal 15:47:40 [btoews] Should I start with one litre per tank (45 litre Tank) or more? 15:48:05 [Tenaj] By the way, my Honda Civic is an '83 15:48:52 [mrmike] tenaj: what mileage are you getting? 15:49:17 [C3PO] George, what did the Honda get OEM and what have you applied so far? 15:52:35 [Tenaj] George returned the vehicle to OEM standards first, then has been gradually increasing the system efficiency and just by adjusting the timing got over 50MPG. But it need Water Injection to keep it cool. Follow the developments in the Eagle e-news. See archives to catch-up 15:52:37 [george] C3PO: A couple of major things and a slew of little things. First, the systems (generally) do not use high voltage (240 Volt or better). Second a lot of them do not use the electric motor correctly. 15:52:54 [mrmike] only eight minutes left - time flys when you're having to wait for the internet... 8-( 15:53:49 [Tenaj] Thanks mmike. Do you guys want another half an hour? 15:54:05 [btoews] George, should I start with one litre of gasoline per 45 litre tank? 15:55:14 [george] btoews: Test some in a jar, with another jar of diesel to compare, both at the temperature you are operating at. Mix in additional 'light' fuel till the heavy fuel matches the viscosity of the diesel. Just use a swirl technique or pour down a plank. 15:55:46 [btoews] George, Thanks 15:56:58 [george] dowser: I don't think the Astro-jet would have caused alternator problems... 15:57:16 [back-again] BTW, the 200MPG book is on my wishlist, as my own tampering resulted in some 10% of savings and reduced pollution (no more soot at the tailpipe). I want more. 15:57:28 [Tenaj] This and other Chats archived at https://eagle-research.org/chat/chat.php 15:57:55 [back-again] this is R2D2 alias C3PO back after the third time of being out in read-only 15:58:11 [george] C3PO: the details of my 'official' gains are in my newsletters https://eagle-research.org/newsletter/newsletter.php 15:58:23 [Tenaj] Eagle-Research 'Why > 200 MPG is Possible $3.00 US 15:58:53 [mrmike] are we going for another 30min? 15:58:56 [george] back-again: Strange. welcome back 15:59:06 [back-again] Why din't I put it on prior orders? $3 is less than the postage to japan 15:59:52 [back-again] I may have used cut-and paste incorrectly. Or the system does not like correction in the line before sending... 15:59:52 [george] Fellas, I may have missed some of your questions. Anyone waiting for an answer? 15:59:53 [Tenaj] We'll continue this chat for another 30 minutes. 16:01:11 [back-again] 16:02:09 [Tenaj] NEXT GEORGE WISEMAN CHAT: Sat. May 18/02 SUBJECT: Water Injection NO CHAT IN JULY 16:03:06 [dowser] George, neither do I, I think it was more likely the other way around with my failing alternator causing the Astro-Jet to perform erratically. 16:03:49 [george] In the >200 MPG pocketpal, I outline how one gallon of fuel can actually make 8, with a huge increase in net available BTU 16:04:24 [back-again] mrmike: For check-up I go to the local taxi company, those mechanics know to keep cars running at low cost and are not selling repairs. 16:04:50 [george] Increasing mileage in this way is called Thermal Catalytic Cracking (TCC) 16:05:20 [mrmike] back-again: thanks I'll check if my local cab co will offer to check it (las vegas, nv) 16:06:08 [mrmike] george: similar to the GEET system? 16:06:26 [back-again] TCC is clever chemistry at high temperature and pressure. My building skills are not up to that. 16:07:09 [george] dowser: In my SGSS Manual I describe an additional 'vapor' system (use in addition to the HyZor and Water Injection) that heats the fuel going back to the fuel tank/s and then uses the resulting vapors from the fuel tank to enhance combustion. 16:09:15 [george] TCC is beyond 'normal' skills. But could be applied at OEM level with little increase in the cost of the automobile. This is one of the 'key' components of 200 mpg for the average vehicle. There is no good reason that it is not being applied. 16:10:03 [mrmike] george: (re dowser comment) sounds a bit scary to me - tank in back extra temp & vapor - crash - boom! 16:10:10 [back-again] George: Agree. The reason is short-sighted profit. Dec newlsetter says "Vehicles that are 'self-fueling' are completely possible". I'll help with that. 16:11:18 [back-again] extra vapor is being sucked out, not more than usual hazard in case of crash 16:11:25 [george] dowser: I used this vapor system in my 1972 International 4x4 3/4 ton Crewcab for years, going from 7 mpg to 24 mpg. 16:11:49 [Tenaj] We're considering hosting a Tinker on your own vehicle with George WEEKEND in October /02 anyone interested?? 16:12:31 [back-again] video conference? 16:12:41 [george] mrmike: the fuel tank actually doesn't get warm, because the vapors (and thus the heat) are being drawn from it. It's actually safer because it's the vapors that go boom 16:12:56 [Tenaj] UP CLOSE & PERSONAL 16:13:22 [dowser] George, that sounds very interesting - I'll be getting the SGSS Manual (plus HyZor & Water Injection) today! 16:13:32 [back-again] that will be 10000 miles frequent flyer 16:13:50 [Tenaj] Though a video of the weekend could be made available 16:14:36 [george] back-again: Yes, there are several technologies that could make a 'self-fueling' or million mile fuel system. This could be incorporated into the REAL efficient hybrids. 16:16:15 [Tenaj] back-again: Nothings too much for fuel savings, right? 16:16:41 [back-again] great on that video. Nothing speaks like moving pictures and sound. Once we go REAL efficient hybrids, my next dream is a personal flying saucer. 16:16:43 [mrmike] george: can you comment TCC vs GEET? 16:17:43 [Tenaj] dowser: Good book Choices. SGSS is best to start with 16:17:48 [back-again] hey, one flight across the ocean and back is for a family of 4 as much fuel as driving the car for cloase to a year. 16:18:58 [george] mrmike: The GEET does some TCC. I think it has some issues to work out before it can actually be practical for vehicles, like the vapor control system. 16:19:07 [Tenaj] Well, when we're over in that end of the world we'll let you know. You can meet us for sushi! 16:19:55 [back-again] George, how about making the diesel, er kerosene powered airliners more efficient? 16:20:32 [back-again] When you're here, I'll show you my small home and we have real raw fish. 16:21:21 [george] Generally, I cover more details on my recommendations for how I'd build an electric vehicle in my newsletters. You've got to give OEM credit though, it takes a lot of organization to turn out vehicles at the prices they do. 16:21:25 [Tenaj] Where in Japan? 16:22:28 [back-again] Yokohama, small planet Earth. George has my mail address. 16:22:44 [george] A little off the topic, but there are very efficient means of air travel too, like air-ships. 16:23:19 [Tenaj] back-again: I guess this is why we haven't seen you register for the 'Leader of the Pac'k' Brown's Gas conference we're hosting in Spokane, WA in April/02, huh? 16:24:17 [back-again] true, airships come back in Germany. They plan a 50-ton lifter balloon pulled by heli and a 70 ton lifter crane airship that can deliver loads where no other crane can. 16:25:25 [back-again] Tenaj: that's right. I'd have use for a browns gas unit, though. 16:25:44 [george] Anyone not installing HyZor and Water injection on any combustion device (including furnaces) is missing substancial savings. There have been experiments that allowed these two technologies to replace 90% of the petro-fuel. 16:25:55 [Tenaj] Interested in the new ER1200? 16:27:05 [back-again] ER 1200 yeah. I don't have nor know a workshop to put it to worthwhile use. 16:27:51 [back-again] seems we're alone now Should I add water injection on my gas furnace? 16:28:12 [Tenaj] Time to finish up, guys. NEXT GEORGE WISEMAN CHAT: Sat. May 18/02 SUBJECT: Water Injection NO CHAT IN JULY 16:28:34 [back-again] Thanks for having us, mylady. 16:28:47 [george] back-again: yes, I'm extremely interested in airships because I'm looking at options that allow individuals to fly. They could take up a huge load from truckers and ships. Also allowing reasonably fast passenger service, as they did before. 16:28:48 [mrmike] Thanks George & Tenaj! time well spent! 16:29:45 [back-again] George: i check out a mag I saw about the lifter project. back by mail... 16:30:20 [george] back-again: Yes, with the Brown's Gas, water Injection makes furnaces put out a significantly greater BTU. I think it is because it enhances the TCC at much lower temperatures and pressures. 16:31:21 [george] Anyone have any hanging questions before I go? 16:31:32 [back-again] I'd have to save a lot of gas to justify a BG unit. 16:32:17 [back-again] Great to talk to you all. See you over. 16:32:22 [george] back-again: You can build a low cost version with the plans I sell in BG Book 1 16:32:45 [george] See you all next time, Bye 16:32:57 [back-again] Got to check my library. not sure I have that one. 16:33:09 [Tenaj] C-Ya 16:57:05 [docme] looks like I just missed you all... 17:01:19 [man] The chat will be posted at: https://eagle-research.org/chat/chat.php
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