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Chat subject: H.E.A.T. Technology
The Chat we've been using is glitchy, I apologize for that.
Further, reading the resulting conversation is not easy because answers to various questions are mixed together. This time I have tried to enhance the reading experience by re-organizing the text, so you'll see the time stamps out of order. I've also corrected some obvious spelling errors and
(I'm adding appropriate information in parenthesis).
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09:29:37 [rono] Hi, I got 1 of your EFIE controls but haven't yet installed it on my 97 3.0 V-6 Dodge Caravan. Do I have 2 oxygen sensors? Do I need 2 EFIE's?
(Yes)
10:04:12 [rono] Is anyone there?
11:27:43 [gsgkill] any one here?
11:10:55 [gsgkill] ok what is H.EA.T. ?
11:31:45 [George] H.E.A.T. stands for Heat Energy Available Today. It addresses technology for making machines/apparatus/thermodynamic cycles for making practical power from small ambient/environmental temperature differences.
11:32:32 [George] I was just checking in. I'll see you guys in 3 hours and 20 minutes
11:49:52 [POCOSTEEP] HELLO ALL
11:51:23 [POCOSTEEP] rince> HELLO
11:52:25 [POCOSTEEP] FRIENDLY ROOM
12:08:31 [POCOSTEEP] rince>
14:08:53 [POCOSTEEP] HELLO ALL
14:11:07 [POCOSTEEP] IS THIS THING WORKING CAN ANYONE SEE WHAT I AM WRITING
14:12:19 [gsgkill] yes
14:13:03 [POCOSTEEP] MY TEST CAR I AM WORKING ON TO IMPROVE MILEAGE IS A 1986 HONDA ACCORD
14:13:58 [gsgkill] are you using hydrogen
14:14:35 [POCOSTEEP] I HAVE NOT FOUND A SUITABLE METAL THAT HOLDS UP TO THE ELECTROLISYS
14:15:04 [POCOSTEEP] MINE WILL USE HYDROGEN THAT IS MADE AND FED INTO THE THROTTLE BODY
14:15:17 [POCOSTEEP] GOT ANY IDEAS
14:15:40 [gsgkill] yes, I just eat a set of stainless again today
14:16:46 [gsgkill] if you can get pure stainless never heat it to cut it, it takes and changes it to rust and eating up
14:17:37 [POCOSTEEP] YES BUT STAINLESS IS NOT VERY GOOD CONDUCTOR AND YOU LOSE ALOT OF CURRENT AS HEAT BUILD UP IN THE ELECTRODES
14:17:51 [gsgkill] I used pickel juice yesterday and watch the bubble boil
14:18:24 [POCOSTEEP] I HAVE PURE STAINLESS
14:19:01 [gsgkill] I used later imitation salt Potassium Chloride it works well
14:19:35 [POCOSTEEP] I HAVE BEEN EXPERIMENTING WITH SODIUM HYDROXIDE
14:20:06 [gsgkill] I built the 19 hertz square wave generator 1/3 amp and that works well
14:20:33 [gsgkill] inreferance to a patent which uses the circuit
14:20:57 [gsgkill] I'm more interested in home use of hydrogen
14:21:21 [POCOSTEEP] THEY ARE BOTH GOOD IDEAS
14:21:43 [POCOSTEEP] WHERE CAN I FIND READING ABOUT YOUR 19 HERTZ GENERATOR
14:23:14 [gsgkill] I've come to the conclusion that for home use you need to use a large amount of water and keep fresh water cirulating in front of the plates. Becasue of the impurities in the water. That is my next project
14:23:52 [POCOSTEEP] MAKES SENSE OF THE IMPURITY PROBLEM
14:23:58 [gsgkill] I have save it to my computer if you want I can send it to you
14:24:45 [gsgkill] http://www.xoygen.com is the orginator or xygen.com I don't remember for sure
14:24:53 [POCOSTEEP] YES THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL
14:25:17 [POCOSTEEP] THAT LINK DID NOT WORK
14:25:31 [gsgkill] But a site listed it a year ago as a tried and working system. I downloaded it and saved it
14:25:52 [gsgkill] let me look i have it on favorites
14:29:41 [POCOSTEEP] DID YU TRY CLICKING ON THAT LINK TO SEE IF IT WOULD WORK FOR YOU IT WON'T WORK FOR ME
14:31:21 [gsgkill] yes it does not work
14:35:20 [POCOSTEEP] CAN YOU TYPE THE ADDRESS IN ON HERE
14:37:19 [gsgkill] yes. I'm looking for the article on my computer it gives the patent number and i'll copy and paste it
14:38:30 [POCOSTEEP] GREAT
14:45:00 [studabak] If George gets here would some one tell him studabak can't be here, an urgent matter has prevented myself from being here..... and I had a lot to share.... got'ta go now.... bye
14:45:55 [studabak] ?
14:46:09 [POCOSTEEP] OK
14:46:15 [POCOSTEEP] I WILL
14:46:49 [studabak] thanks
14:49:59 [JetA] Hello everyone
14:50:11 [POCOSTEEP] HELLO
14:53:32 [JetA] what do those little people icons mean next to some of the names in the upper right hand corner?
14:59:10 [Tenaj] icons, in upper right hand corner by people's names, mean that they set themselves up with a profile before entering the chat room
14:55:09 [Tenaj] Good afternoon everyone. Welcome to the Eagle-Research Mar 22/03 chat with George Wiseman
14:57:14 [Tenaj] Today's subject: H.E.A.T. Technology. We'll chat 'til 3:00 PST . . . then see if we people want to continue
15:23:18 [POCOSTEEP] George> A messeage from Studabak [studabak] If George gets here would some one tell him studabak can't be here, an urgent matter has prevented myself from being here..... and I had a lot to share.... got'ta go now.... bye
14:55:32 [George] Hi everyone, I see that studabak couldn't stay.
14:55:54 [JetA] Good afternoon
15:02:19 [Tenaj] hey there kidmarc. Glad yu could join us
15:02:48 [kidmarc] Hi Tenaj. Thank you
15:02:50 [Tenaj] good afternoon ianscade
15:04:29 [Tenaj] good afternoon mhughes
15:04:45 [Tenaj] hello joe6966
15:05:26 [joe6966] hello Tenaj, Joe Huard here.
15:05:53 [Tenaj] Hey (((Joe))) How are ya?
15:06:41 [joe6966] I'm fine, except I'm still waiting (tap, tap) for my package.
15:06:56 [mhughes] Hi Tenaj Hi George!
15:06:56 [ianscade] Hi Tenaj, this is my first time in a chat room, just interested too hear what's going on
15:07:43 [joe6966] Fine, and waiting!
15:07:44 [Pat] Are there any plans for another Browns gas meeting?
15:08:35 [Tenaj] No firm plans for another Brown's Gas meeting at this time.
15:09:35 [Tenaj] With Brown's Gas we are in the beginning stages of putting together a 'big' package filled with information on CD etc.
15:10:00 [Tenaj] With Brown's Gas, things are getting even more exciting by the day.
15:10:58 [Tenaj] There's more and more info popping up about the healing applications of Brown's Gas. Got another 2 calls just this last week with more info.
14:56:33 [George] Does everyone here know what HEAT technology is?
14:57:21 [gsgkill] still looking
14:57:31 [gsgkill] no
15:02:00 [gsgkill] as in piston push by expanding coolent?
14:57:25 [JetA] Heat Energy Available Today?
14:58:48 [JetA] low temerature phase change
14:57:30 [POCOSTEEP] I'M NOT SURE
14:57:55 [Dafydd23] Read it , remember some
15:07:57 [Tenaj] Glad you could make it mhughes. Ever time here is different. Depends on the crowd!
14:57:46 [George] H.E.A.T. stands for Heat Energy Available Today. It addresses technology for making machines/apparatus/thermodynamic cycles for making practical power from small ambient/environmental temperature differences.
11:32:35 [gsgkill] is there a Web-site on it?
14:09:12 [gsgkill] anybody have info on HEAT a Web-site to study upon
(H.E.A.T. technology is the name we use for research done specifically by Eagle-Research. There are many places in the world that are beginning to use similar technology. Example websites donated by Marcus and Gary:
http://cooltech.iafrica.com/science/219667.htm
http://www.xenesys.com/english/news.php
http://www.nrel.gov/otec/
http://www.infinite-energy.com
I have heard rumors of large prototype powerplants based on gathering energy from ocean temperature differences being built in Australia and Hawaii. )
15:01:25 [Tenaj] Does anyone currently have an application for HEAT technology that they want specific help from George with?
15:01:33 [George] Can each of you tell me what you expect to learn today?
15:01:55 [POCOSTEEP] WOULD A HOME FURNACE COUNT IN YOUR DESCRIPTION OF HEAT FOR MAKIING HEAT
15:06:30 [George] POCOSTEEP- H.E.A.T. technology isn't specifically for a furnace design or for making heat.
15:07:18 [POCOSTEEP] OKAY TELL US ABOUT WHAT IS IS GOOD FOR THEN
15:07:33 [POCOSTEEP] PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS
15:01:06 [George] I research H.E.A.T. because it represents a possible FREE ENERGY source
(The keys to making H.E.A.T. systems practical are:
1) Find/develop a thermodynamic cycle that will operate efficiently with a temperature difference of only 20°F.
2) Develop an engine that will operate efficiently on above cycle.
Eagle-Research is experimenting with a novel thermodynamic cycle we call 'Wise Cycle' and an engine designed to operate on it. These are described in the 'Wise Cycle Report'.)
15:10:06 [POCOSTEEP] OKAY MAKING POWER IN WHAT WAY
15:03:10 [George] H.E.A.T. starts with the assumption that it is possible to make practical power from small differences in environmental temperatures, like between water and air.
15:10:35 [George] So, what we are searching for is thermodynamic cycles that will be efficient with small temperature differences.
15:11:01 [POCOSTEEP] MAKING ELECTRICAL POWER EXPLAIN ONE WAY
15:07:30 [George] we take heat from the environment to make power, like to turn a generator and make electricity.
15:15:38 [George] POCOSTEEP- If you have a heat sink, like a lake, there will often be at least a 20° temperature difference between it and the air with the temperature difference, one can run a thermodynamic engine
15:17:16 [POCOSTEEP] I UNDERSTAND THAT PART NOW HOW CAN THAT BE USED TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY.
15:08:59 [George] H.E.A.T. technology engine is a prime mover. the thermodynamic engine can turn any device, like a water pump, a generator or a heat pump. It is good for making power, which can be electrical, to power your home. You can turn that electrical power into heat but it'd be better to power a heat pump.
15:21:17 [George] POCOSTEEP- The most important thing is to find a thermodynamic cycle and engine that is efficient with low delta T
15:02:57 [JetA] Have you done any more research above the HEAT 1,2+3 books?
15:04:07 [Tenaj] The Wise Cycle Report comes after HEAT 1, 2,+ 3
15:03:40 [JetA] can any of this be applied now with off the shelf components?
15:12:03 [George] JetA- Yes, all my technology uses basically off the shelf components. Obviously, there would be some custom parts but nothing exotic.
15:14:42 [POCOSTEEP] George> OFF THE SHELF COMPONENTS FOR GENERATING ELECTRICITY TO BE MADE AND USED IN A HOME IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING CORRECT?
15:20:06 [George] POCOSTEEP- Yes, HEAT technology can be put together with 'off the shelf' components
(I've designed the Wise Cycle 'engine' to be put together using 'off-the-shelf' components. Any component needing to be custom built is within any machine shop capability.)
15:03:03 [rince] Do you have any first hand knowledge of the Minto Water Wheel?
15:07:03 [Tenaj] George does not have first hand knowledge (experimentation) with the Minto Water Wheel. He has done a lot of research and has some ideas on how to make it more efficient.
15:10:52 [mhughes] POCOSTEEP! STOP YELLING (Turn off CapsLock)
14:57:54 [POCOSTEEP] I CAN'T READ WELL SO THAT IS WHY I TYPE IN LARGE LETTERS
15:11:58 [POCOSTEEP] I'M 5 INCHES FROM THE SCREEN TO SEE WHAT YOU ARE ALL SAYING
15:11:10 [POCOSTEEP] I CAN'T READ VERY WELL I CAN'T SEE
15:11:23 [mhughes] ok
15:12:46 [mhughes] my apologies...
15:13:07 [POCOSTEEP] ITS OKAY
15:13:12 [POCOSTEEP] I GET THAT A LOT
15:15:41 [joe6966] I sent 2 messages, but they didn't arrive.
15:16:22 [Tenaj] 2 messages here in the chat, Joe?
15:16:58 [joe6966] yes, I answered you twice, and nothing happened in this chat.
15:17:33 [joe6966] Yes, I answered you 2 times in this chat.
15:18:10 [joe6966] Hitting "Enter" doesn't Send, but Deletes.
15:18:26 [Tenaj] Sorry Joe. I keep getting clitchy things happening here too.
15:18:29 [joe6966] But I only did that once.
15:19:01 [Tenaj] Sometimes, the program won't let me send. Try pressing the send button or hitting return.
15:19:19 [Tenaj] This chat program works best in internet explorer.
15:19:55 [Tenaj] And we are in the midst of setting the chat up from eagle-research.com - hopefully, for next time.
15:20:01 [joe6966] IE 6.0 is what I'm using.
15:20:35 [joe6966] Another message just got dropped.
15:20:49 [JetA] I am in Internet Explorer (Windows) and don't seem to have any trouble.
15:21:24 [Tenaj] Not sure how I can help you Joe. Maybe exit; quit the program and reenter???
15:20:51 [joe6966] bye
15:21:33 [JetA] bye joe
15:21:39 [ianscade] an observation for Joe - you don't show up as being in the room, but are communicating
15:21:54 [joe6966] I'm on the list at the right of my screen.
15:22:28 [Tenaj] try leaving and re-entering, okay?
15:24:14 [Tenaj] Hey Joe. You're back. Can you hear me?
15:25:51 [joe6966] I see my dropped messages are there now.
15:31:55 [Tenaj] Sorry everyone! For some reason, this program is NOT delivering all of what George and/or I are saying.
15:32:28 [Tenaj] We are trying to make small enough sentences, but sometimes that is not working either.
(I think some messages arrive at the same time and the program only shows one, when I later view the messages they are all there. I've cut out most of the duplicates.)
15:32:56 [POCOSTEEP] working fine over here in Indiana
15:33:25 [JetA] Tenaj - what you are saying seems to come through
15:33:41 [JetA] not getting much from George
15:41:39 [joe6966] JetA How do you know that what she is saying is all coming through?
15:33:55 [Tenaj] Thank you JetA, but Not always - some of what I and George have said has Not come through
15:34:02 [Dafydd23] you both seem to be making sense
15:34:07 [ianscade] working fine in Uk, but don't understand why some people on the list have a head & shoulders to the left of the name and others don't.
15:34:30 [POCOSTEEP] correct what is up with that
15:35:00 [Tenaj] the 'head & shoulders (icon) is if the person made a profile before entering the chat room
15:26:38 [joe6966] Tenaj, I sent you an email this week.
15:29:08 [joe6966] Tenaj, What's up, I was going to order a ER1200, and I'm still waiting for my "package" you said was going to be mailed 4 weeks ago.
15:27:35 [Tenaj] I'm behind on emails, Joe. Been without email capability for almost 4 weeks
15:28:21 [Tenaj] Some company took over our local server and moved things away without our consent or even knowledge. I'm trying to catch up on emails as quickly as I can. They seem to have been lost in cyber space for the last couple of weeks. And now I am over loaded.
15:19:03 [mhughes] George- Do you have anything new on HEAT (that is NOT in the 3 books) that you would like to share?
15:26:59 [Tenaj] The Wise Cycle Report is now included with HEAT Technology 3
15:20:07 [POCOSTEEP] YOUR WEB SITE BOOKS TELLS HOW TO EFFECTIVELY BUILD A DEVICE FOR MAKING ELECTRICITY
15:27:33 [JetA] George - Have you built a working prototype of the Wise Cycle?
15:27:50 [George] POCOSTEEP- Yes, the Wise Cycle Report will tell you enough that you can build a device. It is not detailed plans and I have not built one myself. However, this is how I am going to build it.
15:28:40 [George] POCOSTEEP- So the Wise Cycle is my best thinking (at the moment) and is how I'm going to proceed. In fact, one of the reasons we chose where we live is because it is next to a very large and deep lake. We will be able to power the entire valley from heat stored in the lake. The colder or hotter the air gets the more power our machine will make.
15:28:19 [JetA] I've read your Wise Cycle Report - It sounds very promising
15:23:06 [George] mhughes- A very important thing that I have discovered in my thermodynamic research is that any thermodynamic cycle that uses Phase Change is too inefficient to work with H.E.A.T. technology. That's why I've been researching single phase cycles; like the Sterling and Erikson cycles
15:26:16 [George] mhughes- My research led me to develop a new cycle I call the Wise Cycle.
(It is a single phase gas cycle that puts the expanding/contracting gas in direct contact with heat exchange fluids, thereby reducing inefficiencies, expences and time delays caused by temperature drops across heat exchangers.)
15:34:12 [George] The Wise Cycle should work much more efficiently because
15:35:05 [George] 1) we are heating and cooling the working fluid directly, not using a heat exchanger
15:36:46 [George] 2) and we are expanding and contracting a single phase gas, like nitrogen
15:29:24 [gsgkill] is it on your web-site? the Report?
15:32:25 [gsgkill] George is the wise cycle report on your web-site?
15:29:51 [Tenaj] The Wise Cycle Report is available for ordering from the eagle website
15:38:53 [gsgkill] george would not need constant temp change?
15:40:14 [George] gsgkill- The Wise cycle needs at least a constant 20° temperature difference. The temperature difference can be greater. The greater the temperature difference, the more power you can make.
15:41:53 [gsgkill] Wouldn't a lake maintain a constant temp for to long?
15:43:15 [gsgkill] I probably need to read your paper
15:49:47 [gsgkill] Where can I read your paper?
15:42:56 [George] gsgkill- The Wise Cycle needs a 'heat sink' and a 'heat source' In this example, the lake is one and air is the other. In the winter, the lake is warmer than the air, In the summer, the lake is colder than the air. So in the winter, the lake is source and air is sink and in the summer, the lake is sink and air is source. In the summer, you can really cook with a solar parabolic source.
15:44:04 [gsgkill] ok
15:46:26 [gsgkill] are you using the expanding gas to do work
(yes)
15:41:54 [JetA] between which two parts do you need the 20 deg difference? before and after the power stroke?
15:47:12 [George] JetA- between the heat sink and heat source. So in the winter, we take heat from the lake and put it into the air. As the heat moves through the machine, it produces power
15:49:16 [JetA] George - OK I understand
15:49:54 [George] The Wise Cycle expands the gas in the heat source
15:51:19 [gsgkill] then compress it again in the cool source?
15:50:50 [George] The Wise Cycle contracts the gas by spraying a liquid mist into the cylinder
15:45:33 [JetA] OK - I understand the difference now.....
15:51:38 [George] Are there any more questions?
15:52:06 [JetA] George - you mentioned single phase - does that mean the gas you are using using will stay as a gas during the entire cycle from source to sink?
15:52:24 [George] JetA - exactly
15:53:35 [Tenaj] JetA - exactly!
15:52:29 [POCOSTEEP] can you be more specific with you answers on how this change happens
15:55:25 [George] POCOSTEEP- Going into specific detail (in this medium) on the Wise Cycle is too involved. It is all detailed in the Wise Cycle Report
15:58:13 [POCOSTEEP] ok
15:54:22 [Tenaj] Again, some of George's answers/comments are Not getting through. Thank you for your patience.
15:54:44 [POCOSTEEP] gsgkill> Did you find that web address
15:55:30 [gsgkill] no
15:57:22 [Tenaj] Just about time to finish up.
15:57:49 [Tenaj] What subject would you like to chat about next time???
16:00:15 [Tenaj] Next chat: Saturday May 24/03 @ 2pm PST
16:05:32 [Tenaj] this chat will be posted at the eagle site within 24 hours
(OK, that didn't happen J it was posted April 8, 2003)
15:41:29 [Dafydd23] George, can you get the temp difference from earth and air
(yes, but ground does not conduct heat very quickly, so you'd need a huge heat exchanger. Water is the most practical application.)
15:58:30 [Dafydd23] Thank you very much George!!
15:58:39 [George] I was using a lake as an example. The Wise Cycle works with and needs two places you can get a consistent temperature difference of at least 20°F. You can set up an apparatus to burn waste material and create power from that too.
16:01:28 [ianscade] tenaj - looking forward to receiving all my books
16:01:36 [Tenaj] ianscade, you have placed an order?
16:01:38 [POCOSTEEP] that was really facinating wasn't it people I sure learned a lot!
16:01:44 [JetA] I imagine not much heat needs to be made for this to work well, as in burning waste or even recover the waste heat that goes up the chimney from the furnace.
(Actual heat volume needed is still the same as ever, or even more, depending on the efficiency of the thermodynamic cycle and it's associated engine. What we are looking for is large amounts of available heat (enthalpy) with low temperature differences (delta T).
(Recovering waste heat or acting as a 'bottoming cycle' for an existing thermodynamic engine are excellent applications for this technology.)
16:02:07 [gsgkill] heat and cold, such as a deep well and in the ground just below the frost line
[George] did I answer everyone's questions?
16:03:29 [Dafydd23] Good for now
16:03:50 [JetA] George - YES! Thank you!!
16:04:22 [Tenaj] C U next time everyone. Bye for now.
16:04:38 [George] I enjoyed this time guys, See you next time
16:04:47 [kidmarc] Ciao George and Tenaj!
16:04:56 [JetA] Good Bye
16:05:49 [JetA] Good night everyone
16:07:37 [POCOSTEEP] really interesting huh guys
16:08:00 [kidmarc] Would have spoken more, but I was just listening
16:08:07 [POCOSTEEP] I can't wait till next time. The rest of you will have to tell me how it goes
16:08:24 [gsgkill] POCOSTEEP ill find that article when i dont need it ill find it
16:09:00 [POCOSTEEP] okay if you want you can email it to orionism42@aol.com
16:10:02 [gsgkill] ok
16:11:03 [POCOSTEEP] did anyone else get the feeling you have to buy the book to find out anything
16:11:52 [gsgkill] well yes
16:12:39 [gsgkill] the aaish ake a piston driven fan using helium same gas expand and compress
16:12:47 [gsgkill] amish
16:12:50 [POCOSTEEP] I thought it was interesting that a working protitype was not made
16:13:28 [POCOSTEEP] aaish ake <-------what is that
16:13:45 [gsgkill] Amish
16:13:56 [POCOSTEEP] okay
16:13:59 [gsgkill] my M's stick
16:14:26 [POCOSTEEP] I see that
16:14:32 [POCOSTEEP] Are you in the USA
16:14:44 [gsgkill] they put the fa on a wood stove and it runs as long as heat is applied
16:15:02 [gsgkill] my N's stick to
16:15:10 [POCOSTEEP] They put the fan
16:15:17 [POCOSTEEP] What kind of a fan
16:15:17 [gsgkill] i need a new key board
16:15:26 [POCOSTEEP] electric
16:15:43 [gsgkill] no
16:15:57 [POCOSTEEP] what then?
16:16:22 [gsgkill] compressed the heat expands the gas the next stroke compresses it again
16:17:06 [POCOSTEEP] mmhhhh
16:17:12 [gsgkill] they have a website to
16:17:27 [POCOSTEEP] you got that one
16:17:55 [gsgkill] no it's about $200.00
16:18:16 [gsgkill] lemans
16:18:37 [POCOSTEEP] what is lemans
16:18:38 [gsgkill] somthing like lemans.com
16:19:30 [POCOSTEEP] I tried that one
16:19:44 [gsgkill] where you can by the fan
16:19:48 [POCOSTEEP] it works but I don't think it it what you are talking about
16:20:16 [POCOSTEEP] The fan works on compressed helium and heat from a stove
16:20:52 [gsgkill] yes
16:22:48 [POCOSTEEP] email me sometime we can talk more about this
16:23:05 [POCOSTEEP] You wrote it down correct
16:23:17 [gsgkill] ok
16:23:47 [gsgkill] what
16:24:38 [POCOSTEEP] orionism42@aol.com
16:24:41 [gsgkill] http://www.lehmans.com
16:25:19 [gsgkill] just did a web search the address of lemans wrong spelling
16:30:18 [gsgkill] http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=306&itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=fan
16:30:34 [POCOSTEEP] okay you have a nice day
16:31:36 [gsgkill] you to
16:39:30 [gsgkill] http://ms101.mysearch.com/jsp/GGmain.jsp?searchfor=xogen&searchBtn=Search
19:02:53 [studabak] hello ?
19:03:24 [studabak] Darn.....
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