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Welcome free thinkers :)))
This was our first Chat. We think it went pretty well. About 20 people showed up. Most of them watched and enjoyed the show; please feel free to do that.
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06:13:07 [watkinizer] kafa are still there?
06:18:29 [c3po] good morning, early riser
12:02:56 [Elixsilver] My timing must be off...and YOU'RE in the wrong room!
12:04:05 [Jeremiah] Which room is George Wiseman going to be in today?
12:04:13 [Elixsilver] Don't you feel fuelish?
12:04:33 [Elixsilver] Mabey in an hour...
12:04:52 [Jeremiah] yeah I know it's an hour early
12:05:41 [Elixsilver] What is it/ Spring forward and Fall of the Empire?
12:05:53 [Jeremiah] I was just checking to see if this chat worked with the QNX Voyager browser
12:06:23 [Elixsilver] J_ you get any of George's books yet?
12:06:36 [Jeremiah] Yes
12:06:58 [Jeremiah] I have 3 of them
12:07:06 [Elixsilver] I've published in the same fashion as he...
12:07:31 [Jeremiah] And I have his EFIE on my Geo Metro XFi
12:07:37 [Elixsilver] How many? read it? Do it? Work?
12:08:04 [Elixsilver] Great!
12:08:37 [Elixsilver] Chat later...
12:09:08 [Jeremiah] My Metro has a high powered ignition, a fuel heater, a fuel catalyst, etc, no water or BG injection, and gets about 60 mpg
12:09:21 [Jeremiah] ok
12:12:59 [nssdiver] I'm just here to check out and 'practice.' What are you here for Jetemiah?
12:13:13 [Jeremiah] same thing
12:13:53 [nssdiver] Is this room for Linux OS?
12:14:51 [Jeremiah] I don't know, but I'm here waiting for GW to show up. I do happen to be using ONX.
12:15:16 [nssdiver] George Wiseman?
12:15:24 [Jeremiah] yes
12:15:57 [nssdiver] Good, I wasn't sure if I was in the right room. . .
12:16:14 [Jeremiah] Me either but this will do for now
12:16:50 [nssdiver] Have you found any other rooms? The only choice I think I had was this Linux one.
12:17:15 [Jeremiah] I looked, and that's all we have right now
12:17:54 [nssdiver] Have you tried any of GW;s fuel savers?
12:18:07 [Jeremiah] Yes
12:18:23 [nssdiver] any luck?
12:18:38 [Jeremiah] His EFIE, as well as a fuel heater, etc
12:19:24 [Jeremiah] With everything I have done to my car, I have gone from 49ish mpg to 60ish
12:19:56 [nssdiver] Holy. . . Waht are you driving?
12:20:23 [Jeremiah] The gas mileage champion of 1993
12:20:39 [Jeremiah] Geo Metro XFI
12:20:53 [nssdiver] Honda Civic HX, or a Geo deathtrap?
12:21:06 [nssdiver] Oh.
12:21:26 [Jeremiah] Yeah I know, not very safe
12:22:16 [nssdiver] XFI = Fuel Injected? How do you heat your fuel?
12:22:46 [Jeremiah] If it wasn't that my Geo was the lightest car on the road... it would be safer
12:23:22 [Jeremiah] All Geo Metros after 1989 are fuel injected
12:23:51 [Jeremiah] The XFI has a modified engine for better mpg
12:24:34 [Jeremiah] And, it has the tallest gearing of the lineup of Metros
12:24:57 [nssdiver] So you don't live in the mountains. . .
12:25:17 [Jeremiah] Yeah I do
12:25:58 [Jeremiah] My modified Metro will keep up real well with the average slower family car.
12:26:33 [nssdiver] What is this rainbow at the bottom?
12:26:53 [nssdiver] Forget it.
12:26:53 [Jeremiah] I pulled a car 3000 miles with my Metro once. Of course the car I pulled was no bigger than what was pulling it.
12:27:14 [Jeremiah] It's a color choice
12:28:12 [Jeremiah] Anyways, I've figured out how to have fun even with a Geo Metro
12:28:33 [nssdiver] How many miles?
12:28:57 [Jeremiah] I ran it for a year with the GEET fuel system as it's only fuel system
12:29:32 [Jeremiah] Mine has 229,xxx miles on it sofar
12:29:39 [nssdiver] Could you refresh me quick.
12:30:08 [nssdiver] Wow, 5k more than my 93 Accord.
12:31:09 [Jeremiah] Yeah, but I've only recently learned what to do to make a Metro engine last a long time. Mine is on it's 3rd engn
12:31:50 [nssdiver] Mine is on it's second, but not even a Honda engine will last long w/o oil in the 'case. . .
12:32:28 [Jeremiah] True! though an additive like Energy Release may help in that situation
12:32:57 [nssdiver] Is that what you use in your Metro?
12:33:13 [Jeremiah] yes, right now anyway
12:34:09 [Jeremiah] I like the bypass filter and synthetic oil combination idea, too.
12:34:29 [Jeremiah] I'm thinking of trying that soon.
12:35:13 [nssdiver] TufOil, or just a synthetic Mobil 1, etc.
12:35:37 [Jeremiah] I think Mobil 1 is ok
12:36:10 [Jeremiah] The key seems to be eliminating water from the oil, preventing acids from forming.
12:36:39 [nssdiver] Which oil filrer bypass are you talking about. I can't remember the one I want to try.
12:37:15 [Jeremiah] The Gulf Coast filter that was used on the semitruck that went a million miles on the same oil
12:37:37 [Jeremiah] Of course I'd get the mini version
12:38:16 [nssdiver] Grr. . . Wife needs my attention. Will try to be back before 3:00 EST :-(
12:38:32 [Jeremiah] ok
12:47:06 [unknown] will it be possible to save or print this sessiong out?
12:47:08 [bryan] Im wondering if Ozone, O3, which could easily be generated under hood, could be used as a combustion enhancer hence fuel saver in any way.
12:47:15 [unknown] session
12:47:48 [george] Hi Fellas, I'm here. Looks like you're doing great.
12:48:06 [unknown] bryan....it's been done to some extent. you can draw small amounts of O3 / Ionized air out of the distributor cap...
12:49:47 [peckbn] George..am I to understand we can get up to 200 mpg on a modern car using pump gas?
12:49:50 [george] I will check with the administrator to see if the session can be printed out.
12:50:38 [george] Yes, 200 mpg is possible on regular 2000-4000 lb vehicles
12:50:47 [Jeremiah] Ever tried cracking water using heat and pressure? Kind of like your 200 mpg fuel system, George?
12:51:03 [jkmarsing] George, who practical is it so generate and store browns gas from sollar panels
12:51:30 [n60bp] i think "file" "select all" & "print" wud do it
12:52:16 [george] I have not tried pressurizing water and heating it to a high temperature to 'crack' it into hydrogen and oxygen. I think water takes a couple of thousand degrees to split. I think there might be catalysts that will help water split at much lower temperatures. Water does crack in the cylinder during combustion.
12:53:13 [Jeremiah] Ok. I read about a patent that would allow an oil furnace to run on water this way.
12:53:56 [george] I do not recommend storing Brown's Gas at any time. It is a potential bomb. We create it ' on demand'.
12:53:57 [bryan] Aside from small amounts from the distributer cap, There are ozonators made with pumps for water purification, aquariums etc, is combustion enhanced significantly to make it worth doing?
12:54:54 [Jeremiah] For the most gain with the least work, the hydrogen-boost system looks good to me.
12:56:10 [george] Ozone would help combustion. Just like adding extra oxygen.
12:56:50 [Jeremiah] My Geo Metro has gone from ~50 mpg to about 60 mpg using fuel heating, fuel catalyst, EFIE, and the Jacobs Ignition system.
12:57:08 [peckbn] What's the best way to make ozone for injection into an engine?
12:58:09 [george] I haven't researched methods to create ozone. I know there are several very good generators and technology out there.
12:59:07 [peckbn] Hydrogen injection is valid, I used it in the past on a chevy 350 for a 20% mpg gain.
12:59:11 [Jeremiah] I still think on demand BG is a better idea than ozone, to enhance combustion.
12:59:24 [nssdiver] [back from helping wife]
12:59:51 [george] The cracking water with heat and pressure is a good idea. I'll have to do some research on it. There is established research that I can review.
13:00:17 [peckbn] Since hydrogen injection is valid, BG injection would probably be muuch better.
13:00:49 [Jeremiah] There is a French patent for running an engine on water using exhaust heat.
13:01:08 [george] Brown's Gas, via the HyZor technology, is an excellent way to crack water and enhance combustion. The Hydro-boost is good too, operating on a slightly different principle that 'eats' electrodes.
13:02:13 [Elixsilver] What is BG comparable to?
13:02:59 [peckbn] George, do you ever plan on making instructional videos on any of the fuel-saving methods such as HyZor or 200 PMG?
13:03:37 [george] Yes, I mention the French patent in my 'Water as Fuel' book. It looked a bit complicated for the backyard inventor but it seems to have worked.
13:03:54 [Jeremiah] Hmm, am I still here?
13:04:04 [Jeremiah] ok
13:04:41 [Jeremiah] I don't know if the French patent worked, but, it's certainly interesting.
13:04:41 [george] Yes, video's on all of our technologies will be coming out. I started a Carburetor Enhancer video about 10 years ago.
13:05:42 [bryan] Ive seen plans using two jars one inside the other lined with foil, Hi Voltage AC applied and the Corona discharge generates the ozone. Using a neon sign transformer or an ign coil or oil burner transformer. There are plans on the net. Search Ozone generator plans
13:05:43 [george] We're planning to do a full range of video's and CD's. The problem is TIME.
13:06:22 [nssdiver] Will you get to something (video) on HyCO before I die? (or YOU die, George?)
13:06:36 [Jeremiah] The oil furnace idea using steam pressurized to 90 psi and heated to 1500 degrees then released and burned, would be cool.
13:07:26 [Elixsilver] OK so I want to start... Where? which book for a carb?
13:07:32 [george] I sure hope so. Which HyCO are you interested in?
13:08:24 [nssdiver] Gas for FI. Most of your work favors carbs, which most new cars no longer have.
13:08:39 [george] Silver- Start with the Carburetor Enhancer Manual. You can get recommendations at:
https://eagle-research.org/fuelsav/faq.php
13:08:42 [Elixsilver] How many steps to do your wife's car, George?
13:09:24 [george] shhh, my wife is the listener
13:10:05 [Elixsilver] ...doesn't bode well...
13:10:09 [peckbn] Our challenge now is to convert traditional mechanics to accepting fuel saving technology and start doing it on a wide scale in their shops.
13:11:06 [Elixsilver] standardization seems to be the key. Everybody promote ER!
13:11:08 [george] HyCO's for gasoline fuel injected are doing great. So are the HyZor's
13:11:29 [peckbn] George, I'm hoping the 200 MPG pocket pal will help bring some of these mechanics to our side.
13:11:39 [george] No worries, this chat was her idea and she's great
13:12:30 [listener] I heard that! (Okay, this is a girl's way of addressing the fuel saver and time thing So far, looks good to me. We went on a 13 hour trip and over 3 mountain passes there and back on less than 3/4 tank in my honda!
13:12:35 [Elixsilver] What's Pocket Pal?
13:12:44 [studabak] ....... Hello George......
13:13:24 [george] The nice thing about eagle-research technology is that it is an 'interm' step that will allow mechanics to realize that gains are possible and that their training may not be complete.
13:13:41 [listener] Pocket Pal are a small format 'pocket-sized booklet that give a glimpse of a particular Eagle technology
13:14:09 [Elixsilver] So the job on Honda is complete? how many steps? total cost excluding labor? Hours invested?
13:14:10 [george] Hello studabak
13:14:47 [listener] I'm married to an Inventor - they Never get actually finished!!!
13:14:55 [peckbn] And as I understand the 200 MPG pocket pal is an introduction to the complete manual on how to do it which will come out later.
13:14:59 [Elixsilver] PP not listed... Info on first purchase?
13:15:35 [george] No, the Honda is just started. I spent some of my 'spare' time this summer fixing it up. Then I took it to a Honda mechanic to have then 'tune' it up. We are now checking the OEM mileage.
13:15:55 [studabak] ..... George..... did you ever get over to the frenchmans web site yet ?
13:16:01 [Jeremiah] Yeah... My Geo Metro is never finished, either...
13:16:03 [peckbn] Pocket Pal is listed in current brochure of publications.
13:16:37 [george] There will be several steps on the Honda. The first is to add a fuel filter and a fuel pressure regulator.
13:16:50 [Elixsilver] Right- so how many steps do you anticipate with little down time for each?
13:16:54 [listener] PP: 4 titles so far - Why >200 MPG is possible; Free Energy Receiver; The Gravity Report; The Buoyancy Report - more coming; working as fast as we can
13:17:03 [george] The next step is to add a vacuum gauge and deceleration fuel shutoff.
13:17:59 [george] The next step is to put superior lubricants into it and so on. I will detail the steps in my newsletter as I do them.
13:18:00 [Elixsilver] OK PP are the reports... Got it...
13:19:11 [george] The number of actual steps will be determined when my lady says ENOUGH. As she said, I'm never really finished
13:19:33 [aubug2] what is possible for mileage improvements for a Dodge w Cummins, & a 350 GM?
13:20:07 [george] Is the Cummins turbocharged?
13:20:34 [aubug2] don't have 1 , try both?
13:20:48 [george] Anyone want to try the french water cracking idea?
13:20:57 [Elixsilver] Is free energy receiver different from f.e. accumulator?
13:21:14 [peckbn] Is the plan to have these chats once a month?
13:21:38 [listener] As long as I can get in the car and go when I want without having to get a crash course in what Not push or what to push or pull or tweak as I driving, I have no problem going forward with whatever methods/devices. In fact, I'd like a HyZor on my Honda
13:21:43 [Hedgepost] Is there a list of installers yet?
13:22:04 [george] What is the fuel system on the350 GM?
13:22:12 [aubug2] maybe H2O cracking - how does it affect oil change interval for diesels?
13:22:23 [Jeremiah] I could try a simpler version of the water cracking idea if I put steam injection on my Metro.
13:23:08 [george] No installers list yet. That's one of the TIME things. I need to ask everyone if they'd like to be an installer, have them fill out the installer registration form and then list those who qualify.
13:23:13 [listener] We're trying to get a list of installers - people are not responding to the request to be on it. Any ideas on how to motivate them? And would a video of how-to install be helpful if we can't get the installer thing happening?
13:23:15 [aubug2] don't yet have 1 of them either but I assume fuel injection.
13:23:42 [Jeremiah] As long as I can get enough heat from the exhaust to make superheated steam, I can pressurise it and release it into the intake.
13:23:50 [george] Yes, steam injection goes in that direction.
13:23:52 [bswillinge] I am looking to install your hyco 2 in my 1989 f150, How much pressure is put in to gas tank and how is the pressure relived?
13:24:40 [nssdiver] Installation video's YES YES!!!
13:24:44 [Mikele] I would like to be an installer
13:25:06 [Hedgepost] I'm interested in Video
13:25:44 [Hedgepost] where are you mikele?
13:26:29 [Jeremiah] Anyone on this chat in Utah?
13:26:34 [Mikele] South Africa (Sorry)
13:26:45 [studabak] .... say..... George.... do you have a FAX # ?
13:26:56 [aubug2] I'm in Yuma.
13:26:57 [george] OK, YES! Fuel savings in possible on 350 GMC. I have one myself, with the basic CE (on a quadrajet) I went from 12 to 16 mpg, with the electronic upgrade I went to 20 mpg.
13:27:01 [Hedgepost] Mikele> oh...hehe...Missouri here
13:27:05 [Cal] george, how do you deal with space limitations of these smaller cars?
13:27:18 [listener] Eagle-Research FAX: 250/428-8794
13:27:26 [Elixsilver] Will following Honda fitting make it easier to apply carb model, or perhaps confuse?
13:27:37 [Hedgepost] it would cost a lot to ship an f150 over there and back?
13:28:02 [Hedgepost] <grin>
13:28:31 [nssdiver] George, can you (or anyone) comment on: TF Purifiner, Mobil 1 (vs. other synthetics), TufOil. . .
13:28:39 [george] YES mileage gains are possible on Cummins. The HyCO 2DT (for turbocharged) has achieved 10% increase in mileag AND 10% increase in power in multiple independent tests. This saves truckers about $10,000 per yer.
13:30:00 [aubug2] can you do better w a Cummins Dodge p/u ?
13:30:04 [george] Yes, my Super Gas Saver Secrets book shows a way to get exhaust heated steam. Then add the EFIE, ED or ECE as needed to control your regular fuel system.
13:30:12 [Elixsilver] Which simpler to do~ Diesel Rabbit or 350 chevy?
13:30:13 [Jeremiah] Turbo diesels benefit from propane injection, don't they?
13:30:36 [studabak] do you have the 292 cid in the GMC documented up yet ?
13:30:55 [george] The HyCO 2A puts no pressure in the fuel tank. Do you have the Manual?
13:31:54 [george] I haven't found a car I couldn't install a HyCO in. Sometimes it goes in the trunk.
13:32:54 [george] I'm reporting the Honda fitting so that people can follow it. I get "what do I do first?" all the time. See my newsletter to follow the steps I take with the Honda:
https://eagle-research.org/newsletter/newsletter.php
13:32:57 [nssdiver] Battery relocation kit (~$50) makes lots of room :-)
13:33:24 [studabak] ....... o.k.
13:33:39 [peckbn] Relocate battery to where?
13:33:39 [Elixsilver] As a conspiritorial historian I must ask... any problems you'd like to share George?
13:33:40 [aubug2] most people don't know that when you burn a gal of fuel, you make a gal of H2O as steam. If you add more, does the oil change interval suffer?
13:34:15 [george] Sorry, I can't comment on most lubricants. I do have my favorites and techniques but haven't researched them all.
13:34:33 [nssdiver] Passenger compartment (batt is now in a box), trunk, bed of p/u. . .
13:34:56 [Jeremiah] If you add steam or water or BG and it reduces the gas you burn then it will also reduce the steam you make from gas.
13:35:03 [Elixsilver] But synthetics seem to be favored as to lubricants, right?
13:35:09 [george] If the Cummins is turbocharged, yes. I got a 40% gain in a Volkswagon Jetta.
13:35:50 [george] Rabbit and Chevy about the same time and money.
13:35:53 [aubug2] on diesels, it gets important due to the hi sulphur in the fuel, can cause brg destruction if interval isn't maintained.
13:36:39 [george] Yes, any engine benifits from propane injection. Some truckers even use propane as the fuel when they 'deadhead'.
13:37:15 [Elixsilver] Manual says 3000 mi oil chng, Mechanic says 2,000. All agree~ 2000 on diesel?
13:37:34 [george] No, the 292 fuel system will be documented in my extreme mileage book, to come out 'hopefully' this next fall.
13:38:13 [Jeremiah] THere is the case of the Gulf Coast filter equipped semitruck with a million miles on the same oil and minimal engine wear.
13:38:16 [aubug2] synthetics do lots better than just pay their way on gasoline where there is negligible sulphur.
13:38:29 [george] I had major suppression. I spoke about some of it in my newsletters:
https://eagle-research.org/newsletter/newsletter.php
13:38:48 [peckbn] What's the best brand of oil for an older engine? One older car mechanic swears by Valvoline.
13:38:54 [bswillinge] With the hyco2a sys. changes the air fuel mixture to a leaner mix, do I need to add a water injecting to kept tne engine temp down
13:39:13 [studabak] .... o.k.
13:39:22 [Elixsilver] Explain suppression. Is that why you publish now?
13:39:46 [george] actually, a gallon of gasoline makes 8 gallons of water when fully combusted.
13:40:25 [peckbn] Vested interests don't want us doing this on a wide scale.
13:41:18 [studabak] ....... a good book or two for explaining suppresion are " Browns Book of Carburation " and " Suppresed Inventions "....
13:41:19 [Elixsilver] Understood~ I'm doing same with colloidal silver That is self-publishing secrets... Good method
13:41:32 [george] I do favor synthetics, high oil pressure, remote sump oil pre-pressure, better oil filtration and frequent oil changes.
13:41:59 [overtones] are you going to get into regrogramming the chips
13:42:29 [aubug2] suppression originated over a century ago, is a background excuse to go into Afganistan to see if they can capture pipeline routes N.
13:42:36 [george] I also favor regular treatments of 'energy release', a metal conditioner that reduces friction to near zero while hardening the steel surface
13:42:43 [Elixsilver] Book explain it all I guess?
13:42:55 [listener] Ever notice how when fuel prices increase that News magazines / 'Investigative Reporting' does a blitz of 'Why fuel saver and their innovators are crooks
13:43:05 [Jeremiah] I use Energy Release, got it from Napa Auto Parts
13:43:22 [george] I change oil when it gets dark, regardless of the miles
13:43:59 [studabak] me too.
13:44:20 [Elixsilver] energy release~ process or brand?
13:44:41 [Jeremiah] Brand name, ER for short
13:44:49 [george] LEAN is a big subject. In the context you mean, yes, you have to add water injection to keep the cylinder exhaust temperatures down.
13:45:08 [studabak] uh...... a correction.... " Suppressed Inventions and how they work "
13:45:13 [Elixsilver] I like Lucas Oil prod... suggest better perhaps?
13:45:19 [listener] Energy Release is a product by Entech Corp. . . Meridian ID
13:45:48 [studabak] ...... both books are put out by " Desert Publications "
13:46:17 [aubug2] what does it take to become a certified installer?
13:46:20 [george] I won't be reprograming chips anytime soon. I am in contact with people who are reprograming chips to match my fuel savers. They are looking to win high mileage races.
13:46:34 [studabak] back in a moment........
13:46:55 [peckbn] 25 years ago I read Mike Brown's original Suppressed Inventions & How They Work and that got me going in this field of alternative technology.
13:47:20 [bswillinge] Do I have to water injection to the HYCO2A sys to make it work
13:47:23 [Jeremiah] High mileage races are fun. I'm in an unofficial one to see who's Geo Metro gets 100 mpg first.
13:48:12 [george] Yes, I've noted that. I kills my business every time.
13:48:38 [Elixsilver] That VW Jetta~ diesel of gas?
13:48:45 [peckbn] Must go, catch ya on the next chat. This is a great format for exchange.
13:49:03 [Elixsilver] oops diesel OR gas?
13:50:00 [Elixsilver] Thank you for your work, George!
13:50:40 [george] No, the HyCO 2A will work fine without water injection. If you tune it properly you will have cooler exhaust temperatures. You onnly need to add water if you cut back too far on the liquid fuel going into the engine.
13:50:40 [listener] To be an Installer, a person needs to have successfully installed one or more Eagle technologies and fill out and send us the testimonial form that comes with the Eagle brochures
13:51:15 [overtones] how about reducing the diameter of the crank shaft front belt pulley , does it increase HP and thereby save gas?
13:51:37 [george] Fella's an hour is up now. Would you like me to stay for another half hour?
13:52:13 [Elixsilver] As long as the questions roll in... yes!
13:52:24 [george] VW Jetta is turbocharged diesel.
13:52:31 [aubug2] ok - 1 I have - 82 Datsun 310, does typically 35 now - what is the maxc possible, your best guess?
13:52:51 [overtones] what is that going to cost, george
13:52:56 [nssdiver] I vote for another 1/2 hr. Can I get a copy of this chat from somewhwere? I've had to timeshare w/ the wife, though. . .
13:53:09 [joeshine] George, I have been trying to follow up on an order for the nylon ball used in the HYCO 2DT. I need to know if you have received it.
13:53:11 [Elixsilver] Perhaps hope to get such an increase on non-turbo? 44% is nice!
13:53:19 [listener] NEXT CHAT: SUNDAY JANUARY 20th, 2002 - SUBJECT: FABULOUS USES OF BROWN'S GAS
13:53:41 [george] Describe the fuel system on the Datsun.
13:54:06 [Elixsilver] Same time next Sunday?
13:54:23 [aubug2] carbureted, calif hi altitude pkg.
13:54:56 [Jeremiah] I bet some of us could do this every Sunday- even w/out George.
13:55:10 [listener] We'll post this chat on the Eagle site in the next few days
13:55:24 [Elixsilver] Agreed~
13:55:29 [Mikele] I'm game
13:55:36 [nssdiver] How' bout some time other than the middle of the day?
13:55:39 [joeshine] I have also been trying to get info. on the dimensions of the HYCO 2DT container, ie. diameter and height. Can you help now
13:56:00 [listener] SUNDAY JAN. 20th, 2002 CHAT: 3-4 pm EST - thanks
13:56:17 [george] Orders requests need to be directed to:
13:56:37 [nssdiver] try a 4" PVC pipe at 10-12" tall. prelim tests work fine
13:56:39 [Elixsilver] You're such a good Listener!
13:56:50 [Mikele] It's 23H00 here, any later I'm out
13:56:55 [george] order_room at eagle-research.com but I can tell you I'm backordered till next week.
13:57:09 [listener] What time is preferred - remember we're actually on Mountain time and will be moving to Pacific time in ?Feb/March 2002
13:57:53 [george] Non-turbo diesel increase is possible but requires much more 'apparatus' to duplicate the effect.
13:57:54 [Jeremiah] This time is fine for me, but evenings or mornings are ok too.
13:58:15 [Mikele] same or earlier would be fine
13:58:22 [Elixsilver] Thank you
13:58:43 [Wes] I am about to install the electroonic diverter with the HyCo. Will I be able to run the engine on vapor only without it heating up too much?
13:58:51 [Elixsilver] I'll do 350 Chevy
13:59:53 [george] OK, on Datsun, apply the Carburetor Enhancer, will bounce you into the mid 40's. This includes all the 'support' stuff as I'm doing on the Honda. Then add the HyZor and water injection to get about 50% increase total.
14:01:20 [george] HyCO 2DT height, minimum 10 inches, diameter min. 4.5 inches.
14:01:38 [nssdiver] George, what happens when you try to drive on 100% vapors w/ HyCO 2A?
14:02:25 [listener] Which How-To install Video is wanted first???
14:02:33 [joeshine] Thanks George.....Anyone else from the UK in here?
14:02:47 [nssdiver] HyCO 2A is my vote
14:03:22 [Jeremiah] HyCO 2A sounds good
14:04:08 [george] No, the HyCO 2A will only idle small engines. The ED will allow you to properly 'supplement' vapor with your regular fuel.
14:04:48 [george] The HyCO 2A causes the engine exhaust temperature to decrease.
14:05:38 [aubug2] when using H2O injection - how pure does the waster need to be?
14:05:41 [Hedgepost] HyCo 2A
14:05:55 [listener] HyCo 2A it is! Will slot it into the schedule for filming in Sprig. Best we can do for timing. Plate is FULL!
14:07:00 [george] The HyCO 2A does not provide enough vapors to actually power a vehicle down the road. It is supplement only. In fact, it acts as a catalyist and it's possible to be puttin in too much vapors and you lose mileage.
14:07:42 [george] The cold valor system (HyCO) and actual true TCC vapors are entirely different subjects.
14:08:01 [Wes] If I were to run a pump to make more vapors for the HyCO 2A , would I be able to idle on vapours only and maybe with a variable valve open it to run for some of the primaries too?
14:08:55 [Jeremiah] I ran my Metro on total vapors using GEET and got less mpg than I currently am using fuel injection with addons.
14:08:57 [george] Pure as you can practically get it. Distilled, purified or deionized is OK.
14:10:06 [aubug2] is reverse osmosis treated H20 good enough?
14:10:41 [Jeremiah] Distilled water is 58 cents a gallon at Walmart
14:10:49 [ed_wunder] I would think that RO water would be good enough - it takes out the minerals...
14:11:36 [george] I've tried the pump idea and so have others. It does increase the effectiveness of the HyCO during 'off-idle' because it becomes an 'active' instead of a 'passive' fuel system. But it requires time and money to do it right. Done right, the results double the possible gains.
14:11:45 [aubug2] have a unit that can do 15 gal / day.
14:11:48 [nssdiver] Undersink RO systems I would NOT recommend. One for use in a cham lab would be good, but is very different from a home use system.
14:11:55 [Elixsilver] RO can sometimes be overused and not purify enough
14:12:21 [george] yes, reverse osmosis is good enough.
14:12:32 [HC] ok
14:12:52 [Elixsilver] Try waterstore 13 stage purification thats Ro ++
14:13:33 [listener] Subject ideas for other chats?
14:13:50 [ed_wunder] Hyzor
14:13:58 [Elixsilver] H.E.A.T.
14:14:25 [nssdiver] BG
14:14:26 [bt] electrolysis for home h2 making system
14:14:28 [Jeremiah] This was a great subject, since most of us want to know how to increase fuel economy.
14:14:34 [oroy] I built the ED but it does not seem to work on a 2001 Nissan Truck.
14:14:36 [joeshine] BG
14:14:40 [aubug2] explain spec & applications more
14:14:46 [oroy] anyone have any success with newer vehicles
14:14:48 [Elixsilver] Capacative "info"
14:15:08 [listener] HyZor will be included in Jan 20/ 02 chat: fabulous uses of Brown's Gas
14:15:14 [aubug2] [subject]
14:15:21 [nssdiver] Thanks George
14:15:33 [oroy] My injectors seem to operate at 0.3volts.
14:15:35 [george] You need to contact me by email to trouble-shoot your ED
14:15:39 [ed_wunder] How do you get the computer to stop fighting EFIE, HyCO, HyZor, etc.?
14:16:19 [ed_wunder] I have heard somewhere that you can "reset" it - does anyone know how this is done? Dangers to removing the chip? Etc...
14:16:21 [george] do you mean fighting?
14:16:36 [listener] 5 minutes to go
14:16:42 [Jeremiah] My computer is comfortable with EFIE since I have a high flow air filter and a cold air "ram" intake on the front bumper.
14:17:03 [george] To re-set computers I recommend consulting your dealer.
14:17:16 [ed_wunder] Fighting - as in, putting the vehicle into "limp" mode...
14:17:32 [ed_wunder] What if they don't cooperate - can any mechanic do this?
14:17:57 [Jeremiah] Put lots of air in, and the injectors can continue to put fuel in at the normal rate but be running leaner
14:18:00 [overtones] Thanks Grorge this is great, Happy Thankgiving
14:18:05 [overtones] Thanks Grorge this is great, Happy Thankgiving
14:18:43 [ed_wunder] The newer cars seem to "learn" as you drive - I'd like it to "unlearn" all of its bad habits!!
14:18:56 [ewalling] hello, how is everyone?
14:19:09 [george] Mechanics are supposed to know, but sometimes do not. If your local dealer won't help, then contact the company and complain; and ask how to reset it.
14:19:42 [ed_wunder] OK - Thanks, George!
14:19:56 [aubug2] what test equipment do you recommend?
14:20:11 [Jeremiah] Yes, thanks for the chat, George!
14:20:12 [george] Preventing the computer from going into 'limp' mode starts with adjustment of the EFIE, then small adjustments on each of the other devices
14:20:38 [listener] Eagle- Research e-news: December 2/01 . . . NEXT CHAT: Sun Jan 20th, 2002 3-4 pm EST Happy Thanksgiving
14:20:57 [Mikele] Thanks George & Listener keep up the GOOD WORK
14:21:13 [george] You WILL go into limp at some point, just keep that point in mind, reset the computer and don't go there
14:21:27 [ed_wunder] Over what time-frame for these "small" adjustments? Hours of running, days, weeks? Or just feel it out. I'm not much of a mechanic, I'm afraid...
14:21:38 [george] Thanks for making this a very nice chat.
14:21:52 [george] I'll 'see' you all next time.
14:22:11 [george] You can email me questions
14:22:34 [listener] QUESTIONS: email george 14:24:16 [oroy] Since I got my timezones wrong is there a way to get a copy of the chat ?
14:24:47 [Jeremiah] It's supposed to be posted to the eagle research web site
14:24:58 [oroy] thanks
14:24:59 [listener] OOPS! Who's been here since the beginning? I left the room and the chat got deleted from my screen. Anybody have the whole thing?
14:25:01 [Jeremiah] in a few days
14:25:59 [Jeremiah] I don't have the whole thing, because of software, but have been here 2 hours
14:26:57 [listener] Pllllleeeeezzzzzzeeee Copy and email to me: Tenaj DaCosta Wiseman ,monarch@eagle-research.com>
14:27:29 [Wes] I missed the forst couple of minutes is all. The rest is there.
14:28:21 [listener] PLeezzzzzzzzeee Anyone who has it all, copy and emial to Tenaj
14:31:57 [studabak] .... so I guess I missed George......
14:34:45 [oroy] hopefully wes has it all I have is from 2:07 Mountain time. Basically 15 min worth.
14:37:43 [Wes] Just sent it to her. Hope she got it all
14:39:25 [Wes] George, I still have it on my screen. Let me know if Tanaj got it.
14:42:13 [listener] Whew! We got the whole chat. It will be posted on the Eagle site. Thanks for your help Wes
14:42:54 [listener] NEXT EAGLE CHAT: SUNDAY JANUARY 20, 2002 3-4 pm EST
14:43:09 [Wes] Glad to help, see ya soon. By for now
14:44:04 [studabak] ..... George.... lost my connection..... can I get a copy of this chat from someone ?
14:45:06 [listener] (Studabak) Chat will be posted on Eagle site in next few days
14:46:12 [george] Fella's, I came back in to deal with this archive situation. You can get a full copy by using the command /save
14:46:48 [studabak] ....... o.k. ....... I want to use the fac # to send George my idea on total vapor delivery system... also ( cold process )
14:48:28 [man] You can read about how to save all the chat text in the tutorial under the 'exit' button. You can come back after figuring it out.
15:38:03 [100Mpg] hey everybody
15:50:23 [100Mpg] Hey George , I tried installing an EFIE in a 95 Lincoln Towncar. It has 2-02 sensors that have seperate wires running to the computer. Do I need to use two EFIE's and set them the same or is there a way around this.
15:51:16 [100Mpg] We got the wire color for each 02 sensor but still I needed expert advice.
15:59:16 [bnkoool] hello is anybody out here? or is the system running slow?
16:06:43 [100Mpg] ya its modem connection
16:08:48 [Mike] Hello how slow is slow? I have never been in a chat room before.
16:10:28 [100Mpg] pretty slow , cable is much faster but it also depends on how many people are on chatting too
16:16:22 [Mike] I would like to build a water torch, but I do not have the time to make the plates and properly clean them. Is there anywhere or anyone that can supply me with premade and cleaned plates? If so how much will they cost me?
17:11:13 [100Mpg] is there anyone out there?
17:12:06 [100Mpg] hello jackvg?
17:13:48 [100Mpg] jackvg> hello
17:15:07 [100Mpg] Hey there George (question for George) I'll be contacting you via e-mail seeing that this chat room is slow have fun =)
17:26:50 [Larry1] Hello I guess there is just two people in the chat, hass Mr.Wiseman log in? yet
17:31:00 [Larry1] I see the chat room idea is not working to well, I'll check back later.
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